Lion Air Claims They Are Boeing’s “Piggy Bank”

The founder of Lion Air, Rusdi Kirana, has lashed out at Boeing according to a Reuters interview. Mr Kirana claimed that the airline was a “piggy bank” for Boeing, while criticising Boeing’s initial response to last year’s 737 MAX crash.

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Lion Air has ordered 201 Boeing 737 MAX aircraft including the -8, -9, and -10. Photo: Boeing

Lion Air is one of Asia’s largest low-cost carriers, having achieved this status in part through extensive Boeing aircraft orders. The carrier was struck by disaster when one of its Boeing 737 MAX aircraft plunged to the ground minutes after takeoff. The accident resulted in the loss of all lives onboard. Additionally, another similar accident affected Ethiopian Airlines in March.

201 MAX orders

Lion Air is one of Boeing’s largest single customers for the 737 MAX. The airline has placed an order for 201 MAX aircraft divided between three models. While 87 of these do not have a known variant, the remainder does. 100 will be the 737 MAX-10, four will be the 737 MAX-9, and ten will be the 737 MAX-8.

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With many 737s in service, Lion Air is one of Boeing’s larger 737 customers. Photo: Boeing

At present, the airline is not expecting any MAX-7 aircraft. As of the end of February, the airline had received 14 737 MAX aircraft. Along with its subsidiary, Thai Lion Air, the low cost carrier currently operates 131 Boeing 737-800 and -900 aircraft.

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Angry at Boeing

It appears that Lion Air is not currently happy with the way Boeing has treated them. One of the reasons is that Boeing initially pointed to pilot error as the main cause of the 737 MAX crash of October. This would later be shown to be caused by a design flaw in the MCAS system whose job it is to pitch the nose down in the event of a potential stall.

Additionally, the airline’s founder claimed that he was Boeing’s “piggy bank” while telling Reuters: “They look down on my airline and my country even though relations are always handled in a proper way. They treat us as Third World.” Mr Kirana finally went on to add that “They look at me as their piggy bank,”

Boeing responded, telling Reuters that the carrier “remain highly valued partners to Boeing”.

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While Lion Air is yet to cancel its 737 MAX order, it has threatened to do so. Photo: Boeing

Will Lion Air keep their order?

Lion Air has previously threatened to cancel their Boeing 737 MAX order. This threat was made in December in the aftermath of the Lion Air crash. However, the airline isn’t the only carrier unhappy with their Boeing order.

So far 50 737 MAX deliveries have been cancelled in the wake of the aircraft’s global grounding. 49 of these aircraft were set to be delivered to Garuda Indonesia. The remaining aircraft was due to be delivered to Samoa Airways from Air Lease Corporation.

Do you think Boeing is abusing Lion Air? Do you think Lion will keep their 737 MAX order? Let us know in the comments down below!

  1. they might compromise with them and halve orders and by not cancelling all they can still keep a good relationship

  2. Duhh, Boeing is abusing Lion Air. They should not treat them like this and should have given a different statement because the customer is always right and in order to keep the business going the business should listen to the customer in order to give good customer service.
    Lion Air should cancel their remaining order and look for another aircraft. When you are not made feel important by someone then you should leave it and search for someone else
    This time Karma hitted back at Boeing.

  3. Various US sources (corporations, pilots, pilots unions) have suggested that pilots in “third world” countries don’t have the flying skills to be able to handle the MAX. Well, then, all the more reason to switch orders to the A320/A321, which seems to be perfectly within the ambit of “mere mortal” non-US pilots. There are A320/321 slots becoming available all the time, e.g. due to airlines going bankrupt, or tightening their belts on previous, overly-ambitious orders, so Airbus may be able to offer some early deliveries 😏 That might be a nice serving of humble pie for certain parties 👍

    1. Demand is much higher then airbus is able to manufacture.
      So if there will be free slots then they will just push aircraft for airlines next in line.
      So Lion air even if they order now they will have to wait couple years.
      Acctualy the demand is so high that airbus with boeing has much to do for 7years. Without new orders.
      So airlines if they want to fly they will take b737max rather then wait 10 years for airbus.

      1. Not everyone can take advantage of an earlier slot. For example, premature termination of a lease on an old plane will incur a penalty, and/or the buyer of an old aircraft may not be able to take it prematurely. Airlines have long-term fleet plans that are generally quite inflexible. So an intermediate, last-minute slot can be a windfall for those on the sidelines…

        1. Yes, but I would say that also demand for those last minute slots is much more higher.
          Actually I would be interested to know how does this works. Are those slots firstly offered to customers next in line, or is there another list of those who want to just buy if there will be an empty slot, or how does this works?
          Also when airbus is planning to manufacture more planes in month, are these new free slots for new customer or just the orders will be pushed sooner?

          1. Those are very good questions…and I don’t know the answers. If you look at production lists for aircraft, they are full of missed slots and placeholders…presumably to allow strategic orders to be slotted in ahead of the queue. Boeing was able to offer Hawaiian Airlines relatively early 787 slots, for example…

    2. Boeing is successful with the B737-MAX8 especially….
      Airbus has no aircraft in front of it yet.
      Airbus with an A320NEO Plus would have killed the B737 Max. However, Airbus preferred to compete against the MAX… A new aircraft would have been a challenging situation for Airbus. So they gave some advance to Boeing, and they will come soon with an A320 Plus competing in the 200 passengers segment.
      But at the moment, between the A320 and the A321, B737 has 3 versions… So Boeing can be closer to the demand of many airlines than Airbus.

    1. Foolish statement. Boeing handled the 787 problem and now all buyers of that plane are happy. The 737 is a proven aircraft with thousands flying all over the world. No US carrier had a problem with the MAX and it will be corrected. One of the downed aircraft on an earlier flight experienced a problem and another pilot in the jump seat who knew how to correct the problem and the plane landed safely. Sounds like a poorly trained pilot contributed to the crash.

      1. @Steve: The 737 may be a “proven aircraft”, but the 737 MAX is NOT…it’s a “bridge-too-far”, highly-compromised modification, hurriedly put together for purely commercial reasons. Several US carriers DID have documented problems with the MAX, but none of those problems had YET resulted in a crash. Maybe that’s the problem here: Boeing might be taking this a little more seriously if a crash had happened on US soil.

      2. The fact that no American B737 Max had a problem doesn’t mean anything…
        Ethiopian is one of the best airline in the world, they have a very modern fleet with very good pilots and safety rates…
        And let’s look at statistics… 376 delivered B737 Max.
        American Airlines + Southwest received around 60 aircrafts…
        Can you assume that an aircraft is safe when only 60 are flying in the US, being very recent therefore having a low amount of flight hours?
        Boeing screwed up on several elements. First, an airliner should be a naturally stable aircraft in any situation. This means that when you release the yoke or joystick, the aircraft goes back to its natural position, flying horizontally !
        The need for the system is due to the fact that in a take of situation, it can reach a point where it will stall, the position of the engine is the cause…
        The system only relies one one sensor… For a computer that will decide to point the nose down, relying on one sensor is really stupid. It’s a basic aviation engineering mistake. Redundancy should be everywhere, especially for critical elements…
        And not being informed of this new information and not being formed on it seems so absurd. It doesn’t seem to be that easy to deactivate it…

        Saying that the cause is poorly trained pilots is pushing the mistakes on the others. Boeing made mistakes. And they should have corrected it after the first crash.
        So when you say that it’s poorly trained pilots, I just think that you don’t see and / or understand statistics…
        376 deliveries, flying for 2 years commercially… 2 hull losses.
        Ethiopian has a fleet of 112 aircraft, 103 passenger planes, and 60 orders.
        Ethiopian is flying the B787, which didn’t crash right? It is today considered as one of the safest airlines worldwide…
        So don’t blame on those people. Any manufacturer can make mistake. Here the main mistake of Boeing was to not ground the fleet after the 1st crash, and to not review the system and the training…
        That goes against other basic rules of aviation. Learn and improve after each incident to increase the safety level! Here nothing happened… Even if pilots has a share of their responsibility, this wouldn’t have happened with a well developed system !

  4. Steve – “Sounds like a poorly trained pilot contributed to the crash” what are you? a truck driver? Boeing, the FAA, EASA and all Regulatory Bodies have claimed that the MCAS system is and was faulty. The design itself is faulty. The MAX is the 1960 B737 design with new and more powerful engines, and that’s all. Illconcievied upgrade to a 50+ years aircraft design, with an engine upgrade. FYI Boeing had announced that no new pilots training required to fly the MAX, all pilots who were to fly the MAX, were given a 2 hours briefing with an ipad. The Jumpseat pilot on Lion Air, just figured out the problem and pulled out the circuit breaker to the AP. This by pure “lets try this” method.

  5. No matter what, I would not fly Lion Air or Thai Lion Air. Their motto is “get that plane back in the air…now!”
    Please recall, that plane was having MCAS trouble just 9 hours before the ill-fated flight. LionAir has not said whether maintenance actually fixed the problem. It would appear that they did not.
    LionAir needs to own its part in this disaster, namely its policy of getting planes in the air, safety be damned.

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